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ccooper 2mo
Interested in this too. It wouldn't have been allowed before because you had to stay in the same area, but all your areas are valid and there's nothing as far as I can tell preventing indirect flights (and it wouldn't make loads of sense to prevent it as you'd be able to fly Hangzhou to Qingdao domestically then connect yourself anyway now).
Yes, my thoughts exactly
Well Iโ€™m flying there tomorrow so letโ€™s see ๐Ÿคฃ
majariusz 2mo
as long as the domestic locations are allowed for you to visit andthe exit flight to Tipei is within 240h from the arrival in Shenzhen then you should be good. Enjoy taking printscreens for the airport staff in Shenzhen. Go directy to the seats on the left andby the round desk ask for staff that can do your 10 day visa expemption paperwork. No point queing up for passport check, they just going to send you to the green seats area (visa area, but don't need to speak to the visa staff since its not a visa situation haha this is such a mess)
Haha thanks! Yeah Iโ€™ve done this visa type many times and the staff often send me the wrong way anyway ๐Ÿคฃ Thanks for helping me confirm these tickets should be good!
majariusz 2mo
oh wait, you only transit through Shenzhen into Shanghai,that's where the 240 starts
majariusz 2mo
its a layover in Shenzhen?
Layover yeah, but I will enter China
Day in Shenzhen
So 240 hour starts in Shenzhen and the Shenzhen to Shanghai flight is like a domestic flight (despite being on the same ticket)
majariusz 2mo
oh, I see, yeah then it starts there
oguzey 2mo
I can't confirm your exact case, but I recently used the 240-hour visa-free transit myself:

Entered via Shanghai

Filled out the 240-hour TWOV form before immigration (different from the regular arrival card)

Showed:

Hotel booking

Outbound ticket to a third country (mine was 8.5 days later)

Officer asked about the purpose of visit โ€” I said โ€œtourism and exhibition,โ€ and that was totally fine

Moving between approved cities under the 240-hour rule is allowed.
nthnjns 2mo
Why can't you guys just get visas then you never need to deal with this shit? got my 10 year in Osaka in 4 days...I've heard similar success stories at the visa centers in HK and Hanoi...
Because Iโ€™m British so I have to do it in the UK and I donโ€™t wanna go back there
nthnjns 2mo
You can't use the visa centers?
nthnjns 2mo
The overseas ones...
For UK passport, you can only do it in your country of citizenship or residence
nthnjns 2mo
Oh that sucks
Yup. Iโ€™ll do it one day when Iโ€™m back, but I can still only get two or five years.
nthnjns 2mo
Yeah for quick trips to China not worth it I guess
Yep. But I wanna do it at some point soon and ride a motorbike across China ๐Ÿคฃ
nthnjns 2mo
China rewards long term stay for sure
oguzey 2mo
I feel that. I bought a bike in Thailand โ€” easiest country for foreigners to own one.
Already rode it down to Malaysia, and now prepping for a bigger ride later this year: Laos โ†’ China โ†’ Kazakhstan.

Gotta do it while the roadโ€™s still calling.
oguzey 2mo
As I find according Chinese visa โ€” Bangkokโ€™s pretty chill.
They donโ€™t ask for residency, and still issue tourist visas to foreigners.
Thanks for this info! That certainly not allowed by policy but canโ€™t argue against it if theyโ€™re doing that! I might try
Update:

Dude at checkin in Hanoi was soooooo confused. He had to get his manager and after 20 mins of discussion with various people, they realized I am able to fly with this itinerary. ๐Ÿคฃ This time wasting and uncertainty is one downside of this โ€œvisaโ€ type.
Full update. Entered China easily in Shenzhen in the end. The itinerary I mentioned above was completely fine, even if it took me another 15 to 20 minutes to educate the staff at the border about how itโ€™s fine.
nthnjns 2mo
Good deal. Shanghai is infinitely more interesting than Shenzhen, especially when the weather is nice
Hey guys, I plan to travel to China for a few months, I need access to my servers and gmail accounts. I got NordVPN and created a custom VPN WireGuard, but heard all gets blocked quite fast. Any advice how to deal with the firewall there?
domunperg 2mo
Just make sure you have a couple of wireguard profiles to switch through (once it stops working take another). If it is hotel wifi maybe prepare some openvpn as a backup plan. I heard horror stories aswell but it worked nicely (just slow). In Uzbekistan this is very different.
Thanks! By different profiles, you mean servers? Or I can use the same IP but just different certificates?
domunperg 2mo
I'd probably rather pick different servers. Not sure how exactly they block. As wireguard is stateless I am not sure if they can even determine which profile is used.
Okay, thanks!
Is there a video or blog post summarizing digital nomad life in China? Would love to get some real world impressions
I haven't tested it in a few months for Nord was completely blocked for a while. ExpressVPN is so-so for me, LetsVPN is is the most consistent, but randomly blocks some sites and and you have to switch servers, Astilll works on and off. I'd make sure you have a few back up plans.
I have heard Yunnan province is good for digital nomads, but better for local DNs than foreigners. In Beijing, the DN scene is almost non-existant. It's better in HK for sure, probably Shanghai too. I've made five 60-day trips to China in the last two years and have visited over a dozen cities. I wouldn't consider China to be a top DN destination due to the VPN and time zone issues (assuming you have a lot of work in EU and USA as I do) but it's interesting and cheap for sure. The time zone can really suck. Twice this week I had long calls at 3am and that messed me up for a few days.
nthnjns 2mo
Lets was terrible for me on various hotel and Airbnb wifi FWIW. Only foolproof solution I found--after trying multiple VPNs and getting disappointed--were the HK esims (no VPN needed)...
nthnjns 2mo
I burned through 100 gigs of data with it in a month though
Someone told me that eSIM has access to Internet without any problem, I need to buy it in China with my passport, anyone can confirm this?
Many eSIMs have this access (no firewall). Like CMLink, Revolut and probably others
Yeah, but to make sure, anyone tested it?
Sorry I meant many
I have tested the two I mentioned
And yes, no VPN needed for them
Then I use LetsVPN when Iโ€™m on Wi-Fi and Iโ€™ve personally never had an issue with it
nthnjns 2mo
Esim no issue for me. You can get a hk3 esim on mobimatter or similar marketplace...
leonwaid 2mo
Hey guys, traveling to china in may and wanted to know, what are currently the best VPNs and SIM Cards? I have to too quite a lot of google meetings and wanted to check if someone can provide my same insights.

Many thanks in advance!โค๏ธ
Check above
adnjoo 2mo
Hi ๐Ÿ‘‹ all, any recommendations on things to do in Shanghai? Will be there for a week for funsies. Already got my VPN and wechat setup..
Hey everyone! Iโ€™ll be in Guangzhou from May 12 to 19 โ€” Iโ€™m coming to explore the market, build solid contacts, and source quality products for real estate projects in Congo (Lubumbashi).
If youโ€™re around or have tips, supplier leads, or just want to connect, Iโ€™d love to chat. Iโ€™m here to learn, discover, and grow. Letโ€™s connect!
cancucs 1mo
Has anyone used the 240hs transit visa-free?
Is it allowed to move between regions?
Hey! Planning to go to China in a few months. Any tips? Like vpn, how to spend money, etc?
benjiben 25d
Vpn - letsvpn, allows you to use WhatsApp, Google and pretty much most sites out there

Payments - Alipay, you can tie your card in there, then pay for pretty much anything. Most places donโ€™t accept cash so you must get Alipay.

Communication - WeChat only

Transportation - most famous is didi, also good for you to register with a Chinese number so they can call you if anything.

Tip 1- make sure to book for non smoking rooms at your hotel, as smoking is a big thing in most cities except Shanghai, Beijing.

Tip 2 - for any famous eateries, you should be able to queue on their mini app

Tip 3 - when going to eateries, use this restaurant review app called DianPing. You can see which dish is highly rated. The waiters would usually ask you to check in and write a review. Then you can get free dessert ๐Ÿจ

Tip 4 - most WiFi passwords are 888888 , 88888888 , 68686868. 8 means prosperity in Chinese.
benjiben 25d
Are you sourcing for construction materials I.e. cement, rebar etc or household items like decorations, mirrors etc
Omgโ€™ thanks for it ๐Ÿ™
benjiben 25d
Anytime! Iโ€™m big on food hence thereโ€™s 2 tips for it hah
Not only, but among other things
benjiben 25d
Would suggest you to look for a trading agent based in or near GZ. They would be able to assist you in sourcing locally and would have preferential rates with manufacturers. I myself had a better experience dealing with agents than factories directly, although there was a markup, the quality checks were better, and you have someone on the ground on your side to solve your problems.

How you can find is to go on alibaba, look for the suppliers in your category and specifically for those shops that carries many different products from different categories (I.e. someone that sells cement and then also carries water bottles) then just text and say youโ€™re looking for a,b,c and are in the area. Then offer to go for a meal / office visit.
Thanks a lot for your message โ€“ super helpful and clear.
Iโ€™m currently in Guangzhou, so Iโ€™ll definitely follow your advice and start contacting a few agents on Alibaba. Iโ€™ll look for those who sell across multiple product categories and try to meet them in person if possible.

If you have any contacts or suggestions, Iโ€™m happy to take them!
Appreciate you sharing your experience โ€“ itโ€™s valuable!
benjiben 25d
Pleasure, hope you get what youโ€™re looking for!
horatio 25d
Anyone have any experience getting a tourist visa to China thru an agent in Hong Kong? Heard that is the best way to apply for a Chinese tourist visa
horatio 25d
Nevermind found a Reddit post
nthnjns 25d
I got mine in 5 business days at the China Visa Center in Osaka (US passport)
nthnjns 25d
Hong Kong esim worked great for me. No need for VPNs and you get a HK number that works for some validation stuff...
Amazing! Thanks for
horatio 25d
Nice!
horatio 23d
Did you get the 10 year one?
nthnjns 23d
Yep
nthnjns 23d
It's absolutely worth it so you don't have to deal with all the silly TWOV crap
khizrs 23d
I will add a bit to this, You can use wechat payments too, add your card in there, I also still recommend you take out $50 worth of RMB, its not common but your alipay or wechat not working for payment does happen sometimes.

For transportation in addition to taxis you can use the metro, this can work with alipay once you have registered a card. You will be given a QR code and that will let you pass the gates. This may not work in every city though and you may have to buy a ticket at the machine using alipay/wechat.
nthnjns 22d
I would say 50 percent of the restaurants took WeChat only, not Alipay, even though they had the QR codes for both...this is over two months in 10+ Chinese cities.

I heard that people with gambling debts are more likely to have their Alipay accounts shut down, including restaurant owners ๐Ÿ˜‚ . No idea the truth to that rumor but my advice is to attach a card to both WC and Ali.

In a few places in Guangzhou, Guiyang and Hainan, Alipay and WC with foreign CCs was rejected. I was allowed to order but had to track down the manager and pay him with a direct WeChat transfer at the end of the meal. No idea if they were avoiding CC fees or something else. Many times at restaurants you pay after you order/finish your meal, so it's a surprise when your foreign CC doesn't work...
benjiben 22d
Interesting, Iโ€™ve never had that issue in Gui Yang and GZ. Only issue I had was my credit card blocking the transaction thinking it was unauthorised.
nthnjns 22d
Depends on where you go I think. Most of the mall restaurants are fine. Random smaller places had a few issues
naz 15d
Any recs on smaller, unusual places to eat at in SZ and GZ? Jusst crossed the border from HK yesterday. Still adjusting to intermittent internet connection and lack of Google maps ๐Ÿ˜
naz 15d
Another option for focused work closer to the city center - Up Coffee at the top of the Coco Park mall. They have big tables, plugs, and reasonably tasty coffee.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/YGMfaJaXGjURN2rf7
nthnjns 14d
GZ has great food but I'm not sure how to send Amaps links ๐Ÿ˜‚
nthnjns 14d
I really don't do any food research at all in China...I just walk around my hood and go wherever is crowded
benjiben 14d
Which area are you based in?
benjiben 14d
I could share some nice recs for dimsum and Cantonese bbq
oskars 14d
I would love to hear from you! I'll have a stopover in Guangzhou and nothing will stop me from eating dimsum in it.
naz 14d
I'm in Futian rn and will be living close to Zhejiang district, somewhere by the river.
naz 14d
My "China phone" failed epicly yesterday. I'm currently figuring out how I can get to GZ without WeChat ๐Ÿ˜… Weird thing is, none of my Sim cards can receive an SMS. Will go register for a Chinese SIM before attempting to move cities today
naz 14d
Didn't realize how impossible life here can be without WeChat. And having a de-googled backup phone is not helpful either :)
benjiben 13d
Use this ximhutfn
naz 13d
Can I pay with visa card in this app?
benjiben 13d
You can get train tickets here, then just scan your passport at the train station to get in.

Note you need to have a train ticket before you can enter the station
benjiben 13d
Youโ€™ll need a Chinese, hk, macau, Taiwanese number for this app
benjiben 13d
No, youโ€™ll need Alipay tied to your visa
benjiben 13d
Best to sort your Chinese number so you can access all the day to day apps in China
naz 13d
AliPay rejected all of my cards - needs passport verification, etc. Tried to do it but the process is completely broken
naz 13d
Is it normal that they charge 200 cny to just get started?
benjiben 13d
Ah bummer, then you might have better luck just using trip.com
ccooper 13d
I sorted this with a phone call. V quick, with good english
benjiben 13d
Thereโ€™s a commission / service charge on top of that , but you should be able to use any visa master cards
benjiben 13d
No, I paid about 80rmb for China telecom. Then got the plan that allows me to keep the number for up to 12 months with low monthly charges
benjiben 13d
Food recs in GZ (copy the Chinese name into your amap)

Dimsum
- beiyuan ๅŒ—ๅ›ญ้…’ๅฎถ(ๅฐๅŒ—่ทฏๅบ—)
Local spot, at 80-120 per person, take a walk after youโ€™re done at the park across
- taotaoju ้™ถ้™ถๅฑ…้…’ๅฎถ(็ฌฌๅ็”ซ่ทฏๅบ—)
Touristy spot, old town area, head to this place for Cantonese dessert after ๅ—ไฟก็‰›ๅฅถ็”œๅ“ไธ“ๅฎถ
-lei garden , ๅˆฉ่‹‘้…’ๅฎถ(ๅฎœๅฎ‰ๅนฟๅœบๅบ—)
oskars 13d
Great, thanks a lot!
Anyone in guangzhou next week? Im Chinese but i haven't been back in China for years
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